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erin "burnett" outfront starts now > outfront next today, president obama and speaker of the house john boehner both hint that a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff is on the way. possibly in time for santa. i asked republican john cornyn whether he thinks that is a reality. and governor romney sits down with the president since the election, actually since the debates. does this do either of them any good? rick santorum is outfront. and julian assange is outfront to answer critics and our questions tonight. let's go "outfront." good evening, everyone. i'm erin burnett, outfront tonight, an early christmas miracle. or at least the glimmer of one today. barack obama bringing glad tidings of great joy to avoid the fiscal cliff.

>> my hope is to get this done before christmas. i will go anywhere and do anything it takes to get this done. it's too important for washington to screw this up. >> and john boehner, not to be outdone, put a little early present under the tree too. >> i'm optimistic that we can continue to work together to avert this crisis and sooner rather than later. >> these are pretty glum faces to deliver those presents. no smile from either one of them. but investors didn't care, they're excited about the present, the dow gained more than a full percent throughout the day. will we have a true christmas miracle? courtesy of those two. oh, let's hope that they don't wear those hats. i spoke this evening with republican senator john cornyn of texas, he's the republican whip and member of the finance committee, and i asked him what has he actually done to help get

this deal done, not the night before, but before christmas. >> we have said that revenue, is something that the president said he needs, we have made the point that revenue is on the table. even if we were to conceive hypothetically, what the present has asked for, to let the tax rates go up on the top brackets, it would run the government for a limited period of time. roughly $85 billion. so the president really needs to tell us what his plan is. i'm increasingly pessimistic, not optimistic, because the president seems to be campaigning, rather than going anywhere and doing anything to get a deal. because if we don't get a deal, it will hurt a lot of people. >> are you saying that the way we're going now, we could actually go off the fiscal cliff? taxes go up on everyone.

>> we don't know what the president has said he needs, because revenue is not enough to solve the problem. as you know, we have a trillion dollar annual deficit and this would not close that gap at all. so the president needs to come up with a plan and for better or worse going to require leadership. no member of the senate or the house is going to be able to do this, this is something the president has to do by himself and he can't do it on the campaign trail. >> let me ask you this because you wrote an op-ed today and you wrote about divided government about the deal. you said divided government means that neither democrats nor republicans will be able to pass legislation along strictly partisan lines. it means bipartisan compromise is the only way to avoid further

gridlock. we cannot tax our way back to budget surpluses and economic prosperity. without major spending cuts and entitlement reform, we will continue running huge deficits regardless of what we do on the revenue side. for every dollar of revenue you give him, he'll give you $2.50 of spending cuts. if he gave you that on spending cuts, it would be $850 billon a year would you do that? >> the president has said a lot of things, but what counts is what he's willing to put on the table and so far, he hasn't put medicare and social security, saving and preserving those entitlement programs on the table. i believe they have to be, because if we're going to preserve those for future generations, we need to do something meaningful on those. the problem is, erin, if we just do cuts in temporary spending, those can easily be undone. we know there's been a lot of

promises made in exchange for tax increases and it never comes to pass when it comes to spending cuts. >> there was a "washington post" poll which said raise taxes on incomes over $250,000 a year, 60% support it. when you ask about raising medicare from 65 to 67, most people oppose that. so do you have the courage to say we have to raise the medicare age? raising taxes on the wealthy is easy. >> it is hard to do and you can't do it on a partisan basis. this election did not produce a mandate for president obama or our democratic friends, we have got exactly the same thing we had before the election which is divided government. >> he has more people in congress than he had before and he did win the election and he was clear he wanted to raise

taxes on the rich. >> we have got divided government, neither party could do what they want to alone, like the first two years that obama was president, we got obama care and other pieces of legislation. i think people want well thought out negotiated bipartisan solutions to the problem. you don't get that when the president has no plan to close that hole and to deal with medicare and social. and he spends his time not around the negotiating table, but rather conducting rallys outside of town. i just think he's not serious about this. >> the president has said he would support raising the age for medicare coverage for a ten-year period. >> he has said a lot of things at different times, but he has not placed those on the table. we have leading senators like senator durbin who has the courage to deal with these issues.

he was on the simpson-bowles committee who said that we can't deal with those now in the dealing with the fiscal cliff, we need to put that off into the future. my experience is what you put off to the future never happen here. >> i hope we can get a deal. me too. >> onavalon joins me along with dan altman. great to see both of you. john let me start with you. cornyn is pessimistic, but the markets are up today, despite the glum faces we have seen. cornyn has said he's pessimistic, is he willing realistic or do you think we're going to get a deal? >> i think he's being a strategic scrooge. he's saying we need a balanced plan, but the president's not dealing with entitlealment reform and cuts. to give a balanced plan,

republicans have to cut taxes. >> he said i put revenue on the table. but he wouldn't talk about the rates. >> also when asked about these specific entitlement reforms, he didn't talk about those either. we need to see some substance behind that. >> did you hear level ground where that can be forged? i don't know the difference between talking about stuff and putting it on the table. it seems like senator cornyn sees some difference there. i don't really get it. the hole is not as big as he says it is.

we're not going into the hole with a trillion dollar deficit every year, because we're going to grow every year and collect more revenue. and we also see some of these stimulus programs narrowing down a little bit so the hole's not that big and there seems to be more common ground that the senator admits. >> we hope you're right. >> in previous negotiations, it's been put forward but everyone's got to push forward. >> it's easy to race taxes on one group, at of people agree with that, but the bottom line is those entitlement cuts are going to be a lot more painful for both republicans and democrats, but they're going to have to do that. president obama and mitt romney will meet at the white house. rick santorum is next to talk about if mitt romney is the type of leader that the gop needs. and for the second straight day, the u.n. ambassador susan rice met with republican lawmakers, one of them, susan collins was not impressed. in the past 11 years, nearly 1,100 people have died after

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our second story outfront is the meeting of the minds. time since the presidential elections. >> the president said that there are aspects of governor romney's record and governor romney's ideas that he believes could be very helpful. >> can the former foes work together? rick santorum challenged romney for the republican nomination. and he joins me now. great to see you. there's been so much criticism of romney in recent weeks, from your own party. when he made the comment on to the call with donors on how the president got voted because he gave roots to some voting blocs.

today stewart stevens, romney's campaign chief tried to defend him in an op-ed. he said over the years, one of the movie more troubling characteristics of the democratic party -- losing is losing, so is losing just losing or are these criticisms that have come from people like bobby fair? >> i think it's important any time you lose is to do a review. there was a lot of discourse on the republican side, i certainly weighed in on that and how we need to do more of talking to folks who tried to rise the economic ladder in 24 country. i think that had a real touch stone with a lot of folks. those sorts of things i think are helpful that we bring to the

table and say this might be a better way to move forward and win our elections. >> you were proactive saying i think we would do this better, but others are saying mitt romney did this poorly. do you think there was something about mitt specifically that was a problem? >> well, look, mitt romney is who he is. i think everyone who's now looking back and saying oh, mitt romney was out of touch. did they not know that mitt romney was a successful businessman at bain capital and these are issues that were raised more than four years ago. there were people that supported him along the way and knew this would be a vulnerability. i think it's unfair to go after mitt romney on that. he ran, as far as i'm concerned,

as a candidate, i saw him three days before the election and i said to him, you really did a good job, he improved his game as he went along and i thought he did a good job. i think he ran the campaign on a very narrow basis, by deflecting everything back to the economy. that's what he did in the primary and that's what he said he was going to do from the beginning. he just executed a plan that didn't work. the very people criticizing him were the people supporting him saying he was going to win. >> we just talked to senator john cornyn, he said he's pessimistic that they will get a deal. but tom cole urged republicans to take the obama deal right now. here is the clip quickly. >> my view, we all agree that we're not going to raise taxes on people that make less than $250,000, we should take them out of this discussion right now, and continue to fight

against any rate increases and continue to work honestly for a better deal. >> that's what the president wants, extend them for everyone under $250,000. i'm curious what you think. do you think that someone like cornyn, someone like boehner is the right leader for the party, or someone more like what cole is saying? >> there is a strategy to putting together a deal and that goes for, in washington, d.c. or, you know, in your private life. and that is you don't give the other side everything they want and then negotiate the rest of the deal. that's sort of a problem. you have things that they want, things that you want and you have to sort of bring them together and force people to give things that they don't want in order to get the things that they do. and when you give the folks the thing that they have been wanting most out of the box, and not get anything in return,

you're not leaving yourself in a very good position to get what you want in the end. >> do you think boehner's doing a good job? >> i'm not following him very closely. i'm down in dallas, and we're working on some business things down here. i think you have got to go out and articulate what you want for the country. and i'm hoping that our leadership won't get bogged down in the details, making sure we're responsible in cutting back the enormous growth in government and put obama care on the table. there's one entitlement you can cut that no one is going to get hurt or helped or either because we haven't spent the money yet. it hasn't been implemented yet. it's kind of a painless way to take some spending off the table. those are the kinds of things i would talk about in more macro sense. >> that probably would happen over the president's dead body, but all right. rick santorum, always nice to see you. >> obama care or medicare, i'm not too sure it would be over his dead body.

good to see you, up next, the danger of tasers. nearly 500 people have died in the past 11 years when law enforcement used these stun guns. they are fast becoming the weapon of choice for officers. one roe one recent arrest caught on camera. and we are "outfront" on this story. some of the images you will see are disturbing. >> reporter: how does a seemingly normal traffic stop go from this -- >> is that your current address? >> no, i moved -- >> reporter: to this. >> ow! >> reporter: june 4 of this year, 1:230 a.m., a dark side street off a busy l.a. freeway. angela jones lost her way and pulled over to figure out how to

get home? the police officers say jones was trying to hide something. they conducted a sobriety test and allowed to return to her car. several minutes later, she is taken out of the car again. this time she brings her purse and begins to question why she's being held. >> you're getting it all wrong. i'm trying to get home. >> you're not acting as someone who hasn't done anything wrong. >> reporter: when officers try to handcuff her to conduct a search, she bolts. and then she use a taser, three five-second bolts of electricity. jones going into cardiac arrest. her only and last response, a long and erie moment. >> reporter: jones was charged with resisting arrest and drug possession. the marijuana found in her purse. jones says she remembers nothing of that night and has suffered brain damage.

officers ignored her rights and escalated the situation. >> they detained her far too long, they scared her when she ran to the car out of fear. after 15 minutes of an unjustified stop they tased her and caused her to go into cardiac arrest. >> reporter: california highway patrolmen say the actions, the stop and the tasering were within policy guidelines. a 30-year law enforcement veteran says it's essential for police to give suspects clear instruction and there's one thing he doesn't understand. >> it's unusual for an officer to put somebody back in their car if they feel they're still in danger. a reasonable officer wouldn't have done that. >> a drug test found thc in her blood, but it's not clear whether she smoked pot that night. her criminal case is expected to go to trial next year. and a multimillion civil suit against the california highway patrol is being prepared. miguel marques, cnn, los

angeles. >> and we received this response from taser tonight. we are concerned about this incident and eagerly await for more information. it's tadangerously speculative not impossible to make a medical diagnosis from a youtube video in which we can't see exactly what happened. u.s. ambassador to the u.n., susan rice, she spent a second day answering questions from republican senators. but the one senator she really needed on her side, the moderate, influential susan collins gave a preliminary verdict, and it's not pretty. and a hollywood horror movie, a ghost ship of decomposing bodies and skeletons washes up on shore. [ female announcer ] if you care for someone with mild to moderate alzheimer's,

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welcome back to the second half of "outfront" we start with stories we care about. we focus on our reporting from the front lines. we begin with the environmental protection agency temporarily blocking bp from bidding on new government contracts. while the ban is indefinite, bp is trying to have the ban lifted soon. and in new jersey,

superstorm sandy caused nearly $37 billion in damage, of that 7.4 billion reflects the cost of future disasters according to governor chris christie who says 4,300 homes were damaged. a boat has washed up on the coast of japan. some bodies were so decayed that all that was left were skeletons. few details of the origin of the ship. this is a truly bizarre incid t incident. but a local police chief tells us that the small wooden boat had feint characters on the side that they think are korean. authorities think the people on board could have been north korean fishermen or defect fors who met a tragic end. the rebels from the republic of the congo will withdraw as a condition to -- hillary clinton weighed in on the conflict today

calling on all african leaders to stand in support of the rebels. hillary clinton has called on leaders of neighboring states to stop all support of the rebels. it has been 482 days since the u.s. lost it's favored credit rating. they say the economy's actually expanding, but they're still really worried about, you know, the fiscal cliff. and now our fourth story "outfront" for the second day in a row, susan rice met with republican senators, some of whom obviously have harshly criticized her for her handling of the attack in benghazi. the moderate susan collins spoke

to us. >> i still have many questions that remain unanswered. i continue to be troubled by the fact that u.n. ambassador decided to play what was essentially a political role at the height of a contentious presidential election campaign. >> yet the president continues to stand by susan rice. >> susan rice is extraordinary. couldn't be prouder of the job that she's done at the u.n. >> all right, tim, when you hear senator collins, you know, she is influential, she is moderate, come out and say look, i'm not satisfied, sort of turning her back on susan rice, she had the moment in front of the microphone to endorse, she did

not. should the administration cut its losses and say this might not be the right nominee. >> not at all. i think the president won the election. respect to suzanne collins' comments, she's obviously very influential and her support is important. but one thing she did say is that she wouldn't necessarily support her colleagues in blocking susan rice. the other thing i have to take exception with, these comments are political. we do have to give administration officials the space to do their jobs and in this case, ambassador rice was doing her job in talking about the attacks. >> let me ask you ryan about something that tim just said. senator colin does not say they would look susan rice's

nomination. she did say that john kerry would be an excellent appointment and would be easily confirmed. tell us why that might not quite be what republicans think it is. >> one issue is that it's senator john kerry becomes secretary of state john kerry and suddenly there's a special election in new jersey and some people were thinking about the opportunity for republicans. >> scott brown. >> scott brown is very popular and that's one angle. conservatives also have policy priorities, and one thing we have noticed is that while senator collins has gone one way, criticizing susan rice. you have mccain and graham backing away of some of their sharper criticisms of susan rice. i suspect that there are also people that are skeptical that senator kerry shares that vision. >> he's more dovish than rice. >> exactly. and susan rice might be more

hawkish to open leaning forward policy. >> a lot of folks including bill krystol who actually care about these things, are saying wait a second, republicans, susan rice might be a better pick than john kerr e. >> he was very careful and he's been careful to not say he's for or against susan rice but he did have a warning for the president. here he is. >> i would just ask that the president step away from all the buzz around this particular situation and take a deep breath and decide who is the best secretary of state for our country, at this time when we have so many issues to deal with. >> i don't know whether that was a veiled reference to pick someone else or not. but the question, tim, is does the administration need to have

a fight about this right now? >> look, i think senator corker was exactly right that the president should step back and pick exactly who he wants. but the more important issue is they should be focusing on different things about benghazi. number one, let's bring those people that were responsible for the benghazi attack to justice and let's make sure that this never happens again. but the president having won the election is going to turn to the one he thinks is going to do the best job. regardless of the massachusetts special election, he's going to pick the right person. >> susan rice is a very accomplished diplomat, she's also african-american. a lot of people think she's done absolutely nothing wrong. she's come out and made her case. how do they block her? >> certainly they can try to sustain a filibuster, but people are going to defect from that. i think it actually makes sense for president obama to pick a fight on behalf of susan rice in part because it demonstrates to

his base that he's not going to roll over and play dead. and that's what senator corker might want to get across, you might want to two this to make a point, but is that real the best thing to do. i think president obama is in the mood to flex some of his muscles, because he did win a convincing victory. that's part of what's going on here as well. >> maybe if he compromises on susan rice, he might get more on the fiscal cliff. one of the most controversial people julian assange. uploaded hundreds of thousands of classified military and government documents to wick wikileaks. next, he's outfront. and some di. but, through it all, we've persevered, supporting some of the biggest ideas in modern history. so why should our anniversary matter to you?

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our fifth story outfront, the man behind wikileaks. julian assange is one of the world's most controversial people. the 41-year-old australian has posted hundreds of thousands of u.s. military documents and classified documents on his website. the u.s. government is scrambling to find out where he got them. the government believes his source is military pilot bradley

manning who stands accused of stealing classified documents and getting them to wikileaks. he's faced with 22 charges including aiding the enemy. he could spend life in jail. assange will not reveal his sources. assange has not been charged with the united states. for the past five months he's been living in the ecuadoran embassy in london. ecuador has granted him asylum. he is facing extradition to sweden where he faces sexual charges, which he denies. he just written a new book and joins us tonight. it's great to see you, mr. assange, i wanted to start by asking you something that i see in the very beginning of your work. it really shocked me. you said the internet is a threat too human civilization. but it's the tool by which you have become one of the world's most controversial people. why is the internet bad? >> well, here's the book here as well. it's on the back as well, that

quote. but the internet has become integral to human civilization. it's the device by which we communicate, by which we formulate laws, by which we communicate the very core of our personal lives to one another. the internet and civilization has merged. and that's a new phenomenon. it's not just that this has affecting one country, but global civilization is merging with the internet. so anything that affects the internet in a serious way affects civilization in a serious way. the big problem we have now is the control and mass buying that's occurring on the internet. that's something that has really shifted and changes in the past ten years, mainly because the technology to do it has become cheaper. >> let me just ask you a little bit about, you talk about cables that obviously are at the center

of this entire case, in the book. and obviously bradley manning is the one who had them, he's in a pretrial hearing, he's trying to get the charges against him thrown out of court. but he could spend the rest of his life in jail. the information that the government says he stole was published by you. no matter where he got its, you published it. >> bradley manning is in court today in the united states and throughout this week. the case is not whether bradley manning allegedly sold the cables. the case is about the abuse of bradley manning. over a five-month period bradley manning was abused. the united nations has admitted this, why was he treated that way? several were ordered to abuse

him to get a confession. that would bring down me or wikileaks. there's been no confession and that's the case that's going on now. and that case is a reflection in the decay of the rule of law. hillary clinton's spokesperson resigned over the issue. the entire quantico prisoner base was affected. it reflects serious problems within the military system. it has a feeling about accountability and unaccountability is flowing into other parts of our life. >> now i don't want to get into detail, i know you have a strong point of view, obviously on how bradley manning has been treated. but i didn't want to go down that path.

i wanted to ask a question about something else you thought about him. you said what they were doing is perhaps to coerce him to get you involved in all of this. he could make a deal to serve limited time. and to make that deal, you could be the guy who loses out. are you worried that that could be the deal, he says this is what julian assange did to get the information so you could leak it. >> i don't want to comment on the legal specifics that would be unwise in view of what's happening. there's a concurrent process that's occurring for the last two years, an ongoing grand jury who has sucked in a vast number of people and compelling them to testify, pulling all sorts of records, pulling our twitter records to get information about me. pulling information from gmail. pulling information about american service providers, et cetera, et cetera. part of the reason that this book has been written, is that we have become very aware of what all these mechanisms are.

one of the co-workers jacob applebaum just filled in with me once at a stalk, and he's being subject to this as well. he is being detained at airports and so on. you can read about these details in the book. let's go back to, this is just a small symptom, in a way what's happening to julian assange is not particularly important, except that it is part of a much wider process. it's not just the process that i'm talking about. it's a process that all the top national security journalists in the united states are talking about. an article in "the new yorker" says the same thing. donna priest from the "washington post," in her book top secret america, where she likens what's going on as a metastasizing cancer. we now have 5 million people in the national security clearance system in the united states. a state within a state.

now it's not just the united states. this is a worldwide phenomena. and you can look at the spy files, and you can google wikileaks spy files, of over 175 companies around the world that sell this mass surveillance technology. we're not saying, oh, look, we just spoke to julian assange, now we'll spy on you. it is cheaper now to intercept all communications in and out of a country. store it permanently, that is to simply go after one particular person. >> there are companies in south africa selling that into libya. the french company has been doing it. this is not a matter of speculation. these are documents from these

companies, that are secrtion prospect uses. a mass infection system. plenty of good work is being done on this. a whole bunch of journalists. >> i'm curious about this, because this -- you know, you raise a point and a lot of people share this fear about being under surveillance, right? some people say you go way too far, but people share your fear, but also are someone out there trying to champion, and like said, benefiting by the internet by putting out information that governments don't want people to have. i want to ask you in particular about where you are tonight. first, one question i wanted to ask you, because people asked me about this today. i have you here and i wanted to ask you officials from ecuador say that you have had a lung infects and that you have been sick since you have had to stay there. >> julian assange is not very important. i'm in an extraordinary

situation and has been for over two years. what is important is the development affecting all of us. democracies die behind closed doors. that's the reality. >> can you answer the question if you are sick, or do you not want to talk about it? >> i don't think it's important. the extremely serious situation now. >> let me ask you this about exwafor. look, as you say, you've been there in this extraordinary situation for five months, provided you asylum, trying to get out of the country are you in right now to facing charges in sweden or the u.s. but when you talk about this, you know, government's clamping down on people's right to speak, ecuador is unlikely champion for your call to free speech. i want to lay this out human rights ecuador reports that the president of ecuador -- >> look, seriously, seriously -- >> let me finish for viewers and you can go ahead and rip it apart. he said freedom expression should be a function of the state and should be regulated. >> i'm not here to talk about --

all -- >> it's very relevant question. >> i'm not here to talk about -- i've heard it. >> this government has been -- the committee to protect journalists -- >> i don't want to talk about ecuador or whatever. come on, let's be realistic. >> suppressing journalists not a little thing for someone who says their job is to put out information. >> it's an extremely big problem, the suppression of freedom of speech. you should be well aware that al jazeera journalists spent six years in guantanamo bay. there are cases all across the u.s., the pentagon is now taking a position where it is saying arbitrarily that the act of receiving information by any journalist anywhere in the world, that the pentagon says is classified and publishing some portion of it, or quote from it is espionage.

it applies to journalists and also applies to people within government. >> i understand your point. but the committee to protect journalists says about ecuador -- hold on. let me ask you the question. about ecuador, president correa has turned ecuador into one of the most restrictive nations for the press. i didn't agree to talk about the surveillance state. >> well, i'm sorry. look, do you want to bring my p.a.s on? please, please. so, look. let's be honest. we have a serious situation here. whatever little things that are occurring in small countries are not of concern. >> this country -- ecuador is the country that is preventing you from being arrested the minute you walk outside the door. >> including the united states, including western europe, including france, including what was happening in the former libya. we are experts in this. we have lived through it, researched it.

documented it. >> why won't you talk about ecuad ecuador? >> national security journalists are involved in this sort of thing. because ecuador is i significant. >> it is the country that is enabling you to not be arrested. it's significant. >> its people have been generous to me, et cetera. >> yes. >> it's not a significant world plan. south america and the developments in south america are interesting and significant, and it's growing and converging independence, but not the topic of what we're doing here. the topic of this book is what is happening to all of us, and the threats that all of us face. you know, in the 1930s, certain people saw what was going on and they saw the general trends. i'm telling you there, is a general trend. i am an expert, and i have lived through it. other experts have also lived through different facets of this, and american, german, and freshmen, all experts on

different paths of what is happening, lenl laytively and what is happening in terms of technology. now, we are all being intercepted permanently. this is a state change this is not a matter of simply a small change to any individual. it is a sea change in politics and we're going to have to do something about it. if we don't do something about it, we all run the risk of losing the democracy that we've treasured for so long. >> we'll leave it on that note. thank you very much for taking the time. juliian assange. information on my phone. connection to doctors who get where i'm from. and tools to estimate what my care may cost. so i never missed a beat. we're more than 78,000 people looking out for more than 70 million americans. that's health in numbers. unitedhealthcare.

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